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post Mar 20 2010, 11:14 AM
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Abracadabra MvPing is having a bad effect on the economy, making rare cards drop way too often.
Example: In jan/feb there was 3 normal valkyrie randgris card drops and 9 from abracadabra.

The change that made abracadabra work this like this wasn't intentional, we kept it for a while since players were enjoying it but after seeing the negative effects we've decided to remove it again to keep the economy more balanced. Class change is no longer available from abracadabra.


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post Mar 20 2010, 05:05 PM
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Nice ^^

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post Mar 20 2010, 05:10 PM
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post Mar 20 2010, 07:39 PM
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it's really a shame. It gave me a reason to play alot more. It was super fun doing it.

I wouldn't think it would destabilize the whole market. I mean if anything it would bring the ELITE players down just a little bit and give a chance to new players to have something to aspire to. Now with it gone and other servers still having the ABRACADABRA(Class Change) skill. Less players will want to join our wonderful server.

That's just my two cents of the situation.
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post Mar 20 2010, 07:56 PM
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yea it was ruining the server.. too many valks thanas fbhs etc spawning.. but i dont think removing it its the best solution. Maybe making leet mvps spawn lower would work ok.
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post Mar 20 2010, 07:58 PM
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how about just to make able to summon 1 mvp from a one proffesor every 3-4 days.or even from 1 account. i think that would be better then removing it completely. :S



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post Mar 20 2010, 08:11 PM
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agreed whit humm and lolol remove no its the solution maybe let a lil chance for poor ppl like me sad.gif


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post Mar 20 2010, 08:22 PM
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dry.gif sorry, but increasingly they are doing or changing things that make many people leave the server (I know many). the skill was really funny ... made no difference to the economy, all things follow their own prices despite the rise of these ... LET'S MAKE A BETTER SERVER, AVALONRO WE ALL PLAYERS!
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post Mar 20 2010, 09:03 PM
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Awwwww
Now i have to fight against those huge guild for mvps D:


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post Mar 20 2010, 09:59 PM
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QUOTE (FateTurns @ Mar 20 2010, 04:03 PM) *
Awwwww
Now i have to fight against those huge guild for mvps D:


Good point. At least before when we summoned the mvp we could take a screenshot to prove its ours. Now what happens when there are 2-3 guilds waiting for an mvp to spawn.

MVP ksing galore.
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post Mar 20 2010, 10:46 PM
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QUOTE (Dr3aMCaster @ Mar 20 2010, 09:59 PM) *
when we summoned the mvp we could take a screenshot to prove its ours

and?what for? lol
i think we must to make a suggestion about abracadabras changing? do it someone :S


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post Mar 20 2010, 10:55 PM
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I hope Bloody Branch still drop all those mvps , am i right ?


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post Mar 20 2010, 11:24 PM
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Is good, we work a lot for our things, and abracadabra was a fast thing to have equip, that sucks >:

But is good the change smile.gif
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post Mar 20 2010, 11:47 PM
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I can't say i'm against this update because i see the logic behind it. but i have to admit the only way to reach those mvps is in the wild, and you got hundreds of people tracking there spawn times down to the second. I think if anything there should be a way to make these mvps a bit more accessible to people who aren't well... in insomnia etc. >_>;


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post Mar 21 2010, 01:30 AM
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I'll have to say no to this...
true, the market is flooded with more mvp cards.

i have to agree that it's seriously impossible to hunt a wild mvp anymore. Unless berries are nerfed there's just no way you can do it because a player won't die who has like 99def and 2 million HP (with berries).

without berries, the mvp would be able to kill someone, and thus people would organize their mvping methods in which big teams could do it.

however, it's impossible to battle the big mvp guilds today (insomnia), this is just helping the rich get richer and the poor poorer.

unlike real life, there are no income taxes, no relief for the poor; a capitalist society where monopolies remain monopolies. ; we need some comfort for our poor.

something needs to be done, and I think the COMPLETE removal of the chance of abracadabra is a big hit on the poor.
let everyone have a chance to get rich, c'mon...
there's no lottery or any other system here in avalon >_> (not that i know of)

I don't see a problem with the prices of the MVP cards; after all, baphomet card prices have remained stable for a while, and they are still being killed at insane rates.

what's wrong with our economy?
it's the lack of new players; prices are dropping because supply is exceeding demand.
the problem isn't to decrease supply, but increase demand.

to think about it, having new players and increasing abra = higher supply, higher demand.
therefore, prices remain stable. Because there will always be more buyers.
make sense?

that's another reason why people are leaving; they can't do anything against billionaires who lame; it's not fun once there is no chance of getting rich. Sorry for bringing mike's berry topic here, but abracadabra is completely necessary for the vitality of our server.

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post Mar 21 2010, 02:21 AM
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Nice Change.

So... now plant cultivation can be back to it's full potential, I mean... to have back the long life time plants/mushrooms and stacking in one cell again?(I guess their lifetime was severely decreased because ppl was using this skill to have an insta cheap monster that doesn't move or do any stupid stuffs, also the short life time made stacking in one cell stupid because by the time you start to kill the mushrooms/plants, they were already dying).


erm... to those ppl who thinks removing class change is denying a chance for "new" ppl to get stuff, is pretty wrong, no new player can kill any of the "important" MVPs that could spawn there, also there was no reason to make deals, you could get every important card you wish(yah even bios, just get enough valk items, thana cards, beelze drops or that kinda expensive stuff), making MVP guilds feel kinda stupid, I mean "why to hunt a valk/thana/gloom/kiel every n-hours against another crew of guys, if I can have as many as I want and just for myself?"

btw.... many players became "rich" now they can join a MVP guild to get richer or make a whole new team, it makes more interesting the stuff, most of the abraers have as myth to hunt a wild MVPs just because they've never done it, and abra just saved them the trouble of trying. I agree it is fun to kill a valk, but... I could find abra MVPs like valks in weird maps alone, why? the "poor" ppl that is supposed to be complaining never could actually kill any of those. so abra only made the powerful rich just richer, and the just beggining rich to TRY to become a bit rich(anyways rich ppl teams were mostly to pop up any time and take the MVP for their team).

also Kabs... in competitive MVP I've found pretty stupid to have 99 def(usually the one tanking the MVP is the only with over 80 def and it's fully supported)... there's always thana there... even with 9 berry, ur 2m hp goes down hella fast so that ppl will die badly. and the worth abra MVPs are supposed to be killed by teams because there are other teams to kill it aswell, so go ahead, now is the chance to see new teams growing and more joy to the server.

those who see no other exit than quitting, is because they are lazy to have some work and develop more knowledge about the game mechanics.

;D very well done.


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post Mar 21 2010, 03:05 AM
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QUOTE (Litos @ Mar 20 2010, 06:21 PM) *
btw.... many players became "rich" now they can join a MVP guild to get richer or make a whole new team, it makes more interesting the stuff, most of the abraers have as myth to hunt a wild MVPs just because they've never done it, and abra just saved them the trouble of trying. I agree it is fun to kill a valk, but... I could find abra MVPs like valks in weird maps alone, why? the "poor" ppl that is supposed to be complaining never could actually kill any of those. so abra only made the powerful rich just richer, and the just beggining rich to TRY to become a bit rich(anyways rich ppl teams were mostly to pop up any time and take the MVP for their team).


i believe that many middle-class players can kill a valk if they had time.
if there were no competitors, i'll guarantee you someone can kill a valk, even if it took time.
kiel would be a great example, forget valk and the damned agi-up, it just takes alot of bwings and retreating.
and I doubt that many have gotten richer. i've only heard stories of poor getting rich, not one about a rich getting richer, probably because they're not so elated as the poor are.
True, in a way. I just think the poor benefit more than the rich. (certain mvps excluded...)


QUOTE (Litos @ Mar 20 2010, 06:21 PM) *
also Kabs... in competitive MVP I've found pretty stupid to have 99 def(usually the one tanking the MVP is the only with over 80 def and it's fully supported)... there's always thana there... even with 9 berry, ur 2m hp goes down hella fast so that ppl will die badly. and the worth abra MVPs are supposed to be killed by teams because there are other teams to kill it aswell, so go ahead, now is the chance to see new teams growing and more joy to the server.

those who see no other exit than quitting, is because they are lazy to have some work and develop more knowledge about the game mechanics.

;D very well done.


if you see, Artyk has high def, 1vit. makes sense to have a little over 100, doesn't hurt.
and my bad, you can't get 2m hp with 99def unless you're an LK that's MVPing...

and, um. i was talking about 99def when you're hunting it solo, assuming it ISN"T wild and coming from something such as BB.

i agree with the fact that more teams will be made, but realize that the teams organized will be dominated by the rich ONLY; it won't be fair.

thanks for your feedback too, litos.
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post Mar 21 2010, 04:41 AM
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What no Class Change =O
Now i have no reason to train anymore chars now.
I was collecting frozen to buy yellow gems so then go for abra cadabra.

Is going to make me play less AVRO2 now =(
Probably is going to give a break for playing RO now.

And for the record i never got a card for those mvp's and can't kill power MVP such as valk or ifrit.
And other like ktullanux or thanatos takes like hours trying to kill.


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post Mar 21 2010, 05:22 AM
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I personally think this is a horrible idea. With this change, only those who have the gear will be able to mvp the higher mvp now. With abbra you can find a quiet spot and mvp and no one will bother you but with this new change you have to form a guild with no only decent pvper but as well as people with better then average gears. Now it seems like only a selected few guild can mvp and that doesn't make sense to me. Personally I abbra because this server have pretty much nothing else to offer now. Pvp is havn't changed and it's the same people using the same tactic. The quest are fun but you can only do so many before it gets mind numbingly boring.
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post Mar 21 2010, 05:29 AM
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